subsea Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Calcium phosphate can be deposited as a solid precipitate and it may never leach out unless chemistry changes. If a hobbiest used limewater to control alkalinity, it would be normal for phosphate to precipitate out and bind with calcium. It is very stable in this form. However, cynobacteria is very resourceful and will produce enzymes to dissolve and utilize this source of phosphate. interesting. i didn't introduce cyano for my test . This response does not compute. Please explain what it means. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planeden Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Calcium phosphate can be deposited as a solid precipitate and it may never leach out unless chemistry changes. If a hobbiest used limewater to control alkalinity, it would be normal for phosphate to precipitate out and bind with calcium. It is very stable in this form. However, cynobacteria is very resourceful and will produce enzymes to dissolve and utilize this source of phosphate. interesting. i didn't introduce cyano for my test . This response does not compute. Please explain what it means. Patrick i tested my rock for phosphate leeching by bubbling it in a small amount of water for 10 days. but, the above was just a joke that i didn't account for cyano pulling phosphates out with an enzyme, so my test was invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Dennis, Thank you for the rest of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Hmmm, interesting. I used a ph buffer in the beginning but I think it was a base not an acid. So maybe my phosphates are coming from elsewhere; now that I have been hand removing it from my rock and substrate I have noticed that it is growing very slow on the rocks (almost like the rock is using phosphate too fast for it) but it is growing rather fast on the substrate Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Kyle,Limewater is a base used to adjust pH. It also has calcium. As it is added to aquarium, at the area of addition the calcium concentration and the pH are both elevated providing a perfect environment for calcium phosphate to precipitate out. That is how substrate and rock get coated with phosphate. I thought you posted early in this thread that you were given the substrate from another hobbiest, Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 I got a few scoops from him I sees my tank. I used API's proper ph. Which I think is mainly calcium bicarbonate... So that possibly could have the same effect; right? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 The sand was crushed aragonite that I rinsed rather thoroughly... Might still have some phosphates though. I've heard good things about chemo clean but haven't really given in thought in my system because I don't have a skimmer or reactor to take the decomposing cyano slime out Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It does not work like that. If you can stand the drive, you can use my stash of it. Just bring it back within a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I got a few scoops from him I sees my tank. I used API's proper ph. Which I think is mainly calcium bicarbonate... So that possibly could have the same effect; right? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb in Austin Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Give it time. Cyano, GHA, diatoms, etc are all part of the normal cycle process IMO/IME. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 Give it time. Cyano, GHA, diatoms, etc are all part of the normal cycle process IMO/IME. I'd like to think that I just don't have any previous experience. How long do your algae waves normally last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Calcium phosphate can be deposited as a solid precipitate and it may never leach out unless chemistry changes. If a hobbiest used limewater to control alkalinity, it would be normal for phosphate to precipitate out and bind with calcium. It is very stable in this form. However, cynobacteria is very resourceful and will produce enzymes to dissolve and utilize this source of phosphate. interesting. i didn't introduce cyano for my test . This response does not compute. Please explain what it means. Patrick i tested my rock for phosphate leeching by bubbling it in a small amount of water for 10 days. but, the above was just a joke that i didn't account for cyano pulling phosphates out with an enzyme, so my test was invalid. Dennis, The test that you did was appropriate. Calcium phosphate is normally very stable. Organic phosphate is not able to be tested for with hobbiest test kits. Organic phosphate is normally tied up with excess food and detritus in substrate. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Give it time. Cyano, GHA, diatoms, etc are all part of the normal cycle process IMO/IME. I'd like to think that I just don't have any previous experience.How long do your algae waves normally last? Kyle, Each tank cycle is different. You will not get an absolute answer to that question. After 12 years with the same set up, I can testify that things can change and bring the algae wave on. Exercise good aquarium husbandry and things will stabilize. If you had kept your cyno eating mollies, you would not have to be exercising the turkey baster as a vacuum cleaner. Seize the day, Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 Haha good point with the mollies. Maybe my friend will let me lease them out... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 How is the tank doing? It used to be that no news is good news. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted April 11, 2014 Author Share Posted April 11, 2014 Tank is doing great! Lost my female clown do to ich though It was an odd circumstance the neon goby would try to clean her and she thought he was battling for territory so she would attack him; the neon got ich due to missing most I it's dorsal fin an the top of its tail fin and passed away. The female clown must have been stressed about territory and passed too... It was sad she was a very beautiful fish. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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subsea Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Sorry. While I do not consider skimmers necessary for reef keeping, I have gotten on board with UV sterilizers. On my only two display tanks, I operate 40W UV sterilizers 24/7. I have a 20G high tank with a 5W sterilizer. In addition to handling ich infestations, it makes the tank water sparkling clean. I also feel it would help you with your cynobacteria problem. Be sure, cyno is a very unique bacteria in that it shares photosynthesis with higher life forms. That is why it is so resourceful. Get you one. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted April 11, 2014 Author Share Posted April 11, 2014 I'll definitely look into getting one that can fit in my setup because the male has a case of ich as well... Hopefully his immune system will beat it sense there are no stress factors for him but I don't think I'll ever get designer fish again, from everything I read a clown should be able to beat ich hands down Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Be sure, the parasite is in your system. I do not subscribe that 28 days is sufficient to rid a tank of ich. Neither is 60 days. I have had a system with no additions for more than a year. After a stress event, ich was everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I'll definitely look into getting one that can fit in my setup because the male has a case of ich as well... Hopefully his immune system will beat it sense there are no stress factors for him but I don't think I'll ever get designer fish again, from everything I read a clown should be able to beat ich hands down Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk To me, Nemo is beautiful, hardy and a joy to watch swim. It is almost like the tail wagging the dog. The temperament of the Ocellarius Clown is a joy to have in any aquarium. As you already noted, designer fish cost more and normally are less hardy. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Alright! Been way too long since I updated this and a lot has happened! Here's a few pics! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited May 20, 2014 by Gonzo59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 Spent the last few months stocking full of life and battling cyano. Now I just sit back and enjoy! It has really come together. Stock list: Randall's Prawn goby/ pistol shrimp combo 2 hybrid misbar clowns Misc. zoas and palys Trumpet coral Mint pavona ( more brown under my CF's) Green polyp toadstool Small dendro colony Red montipora Blue striped shroom Hairy shroom Purple shroom Orange rhodactis shroom Xenia Gsp Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemoon Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) your going to wake up one morning and your beautiful garden will be gone. replaced with a yellow lab and a clown loach. the dream will be over... and then i will sneak off with your collection and you'll be none the wiser, mauh, ha, ha. you'll also oddly have a life again...a coincidence for sure. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited May 21, 2014 by Bluemoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planeden Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Looks great man. Lot of changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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