subsea Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The cyno treatment needs to be proactive, not reactive. Go after the phosphate. Also, increase circulation in the tank. If you have added nothing else to the tank and the ammonia has climbed from 1ppm to 2ppm in 24 hours, something is rotten in Denmark. I suggest you come get some feather Caulerpa from me. It will uptake both nitrogen and phosphate. Use it to cycle your tank with a few mollies. Once your tank is cycled, you can remove it as a nutrient export mechanism. Try it, you may like it. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Ignore the dirty glass. This is my 12 year old set up. Caulerpa Paspaloides grows very fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Sounds great! Thank you. I have been trying to stay away from chemicals and that sounds like a great answer to the problem. I have been very interested with the lagoon tank setup ever since you mentioned them on my welcome thread. I have also read that turning off the lights for 72 hours can beat a cyano bloom... although I don't think this has reached bloom status yet. I don't think it would be a costly test since the only live organism I have is chaeto so far. What is your opinion on this approach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 In your situation with a new tank cycling, I do not think it will solve the problem. It will only mask the symptoms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Ignore the dirty glass. This is my 12 year old set up. Caulerpa Paspaloides grows very fast. How fast? Hand pruning fast or fish food fast? Be that as it may, it looks like a very attractive macro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 There are three tangs in this 75G tank. They keep it in check with very little hand prunning on my part. It is easy to keep in check in the substrate. Keep it off the rocks for ease of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Three tangs is only a pipe dream at this point... but someday I will have a system that can support that. I have plenty of room for it on the substrate. Why does it get out of hand on rocks? I'm guessing the roots get into nooks that you cant reach and it keeps coming back? There could be worse things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I allow it on the rocks, but I like it. It is not difficult to remove. It's holdfast as not as tenacious as C. Prolifera, which is difficult to remove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think I have the perfect spot for it, I like it as well. But I'll talk to you more about it when I come to pick it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Laissez la bonne temps roulee, Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 Les bon temps ont déjà commencé Kyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-09/rhf/ Phosphate could be coating your live rock or substrate as calcium phosphate, if it was subjected to supersaturation particularly with limewater as a method of alkalinity control in reef tanks. Randy Homes Farley is a scientist that is knowledgeable about reef systems. He can take you as deep as you want to go. Patrick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Met up with Subsea today and got some goodies! 1 pint of caulerpa 2 creamcycle mollies 2 black mollies 100 g ROWAphos 1 used pump (stronger than my original) The mollies immediately attacked my cyano! It's almost completely gone. That coupled with the caulerpa and ROWAphos should nip that in the bud! Take a look Edited February 13, 2014 by Gonzo59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 Water reading today: PH- 7.8 (same) NH3- 2 ppm (same) NO2- 0 ppm (same) NO3- <10 ppm (slight increase) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 With respect to your question about macro going sexual, fast growing Caulerpa needs nutrients. It will give you several indicators before it goes sexual. When nutrients are used up, its growth rate will slow down by half or more, a week in advance. When macro is growing fast, the tips will be opaque/clear. When you see white spots, beware, it is getting ready to disintegrate. Normally, the event occurs after lights go out. Not sure if that is the sexual connotation. The one time that I saw a precursor to Caulerpa Paspalpoides going sexual occurred during lights on. The stems had doubled in size and were oozing a white paste into the water. I immediately removed it from the 20G lagoon tank that it was in and put it into another tank with high nutrients. It cleared up in a few hours. In further discussion with my room mate, he acknowledged that it had stopped growing a week earlier and that white spots had showed up in various places several days later. He started feeding his tank more and we returned the Caulerpa to the tank with no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Met up with Subsea today and got some goodies! 1 pint of caulerpa 2 creamcycle mollies 2 black mollies 100 g ROWAphos 1 used pump (stronger than my original) The mollies immediately attacked my cyano! It's almost completely gone. That coupled with the caulerpa and ROWAphos should nip that in the bud! Take a look iOutstanding about the mollies eating cyno. I have seen that once before with a pregnant female. Did you note if all mollies were grazing on the cyno or just the females? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 The females more so. But the black male started the trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The Caulerpa looks good on the rock. In my experience with Caulerpa Paspaldoides, its holdfast are easy to remove. However, it will take over that rock. When it is in the substrate, the holdfast get very aggressive and go deep. The scientist tell me that the holdfast do not absorb nutrients from the substrate. I think that the macro knows more about absorbing nutrients than the scientist. I hope that the macro serves you well. Patrick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 I'll move the back piece to the substrate tomorrow, but I really like the look of it up front. I'll just make sure to contain it to that one area, even if it is more work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planeden Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Looking good gonzo. I also like the look of the macro there. Depending on what corals you add, it may get a bit busy. But you can figure it out as you go along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo59 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 Yeah that's what I figure. Ultimately that is where I want a bubbletip anemone to go, but I figure it will be about a year before my tank is established enough for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planeden Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ha...ultimately your bubble tip will go whereever the heck he pleases. I didn't bait mine into the paly colony he loves so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I'll move the back piece to the substrate tomorrow, but I really like the look of it up front. I'll just make sure to contain it to that one area, even if it is more work The feather will grow up an out. Experiment with one cutting near the top. I have had it stay attached on one end and the rest grew out in open water swaying to the current. Consider it reverse bonsai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsea Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 With respect to your stocking plan from Post #1, I would leave Emerald Crabs and Hermit Crabs out of the mix. Both are voracious predators and when they are hungry, they will attack and eat anything, including each other. For the janitors, I recommend Florida Drawf Cerith Snails and bristle worms. Both will reproduce in your system with their population density determined by the food supply. Amphipods and copepods fit into this category and are especially appropriate in your rubble refugium where they will feast on the biofilm which grows in the safe haven of your refugium. All of these janitors, release their spores into the bulk water of the tank which is a splendid diet for corals and other filter feeders. Yes, corals are filter feeders. As your system matures, you may want to get diversity in filter feeders such as colorful sponges, feather dusters, NPS and LPS. They would all flourish in this system. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jestep Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Great start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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