Michael Rodriguez Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) !!ALL SOLD!! Thumbs up everyone who purchased one! Your supporting aqua-cultured marine prevents wild fish being caught through practices of chemical or dynamite explosions. Now you can look at your tank and know you made a difference!! I hope everyone enjoys their fish. As always, if you have any questions about them, shoot me a PM Thanks, Mike Edited April 6, 2011 by Michael Rodriguez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb in Austin Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Nice fish. Potentially a bad post though; getting awfully close to a commercial sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugginu24 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 PM'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Those are beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hey Can you let me know how it sounds like a commercial sale? This wasn't my intention. Thanks, Mike Nice fish. Potentially a bad post though; getting awfully close to a commercial sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb in Austin Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Mostly due to the number of fish you have. Most folks don't buy 1 species in bulk, especially ORA goodies. Not saying you are in violation, it's just close that's all. If it's a one time thing, no worries. The problem is people coming in with retail quantities and prices and taking business away from our sponsors without ponying up as sponsors too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 The reason for the number of fish is when Orchid Dottybacks breed you end up with about !50 larvae! I was thinking if two or more people wanted to get together they can get a deal! I have 25 of them right now. I'm trying to see if I can help to keep people from buying wild caught fish. How much does it cost to become a sponsor? Is there a link you could guide me to? Would me being a sponsor allow me to sell fish I breed on this forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesL Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 You can view sponsorship details here. The cost is $150 annually. I agree with Robb that a one time offering is fine. If you plan to continue to breed and sell the fish on a more frequent basis, then yes you will need to be a sponsor. BTW, I do applaud your efforts in reducing wild caught fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Terrific, sounds fair. I will see how this listing goes and if I get a good response from it I will sign up to sell again! Thank you very much Mike You can view sponsorship details here. The cost is $150 annually. I agree with Robb that a one time offering is fine. If you plan to continue to breed and sell the fish on a more frequent basis, then yes you will need to be a sponsor. BTW, I do applaud your efforts in reducing wild caught fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb in Austin Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Based on your responses to some other posts, it sounds like you have some experience and can be a great resource for the club. And, to echo James, I applaud your efforts. Hopefully, one day, we can be a mostly captive bred/maricultured hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamp Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Great work Mike! I would love to see pics of your efforts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barderer Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I think people in the club should support people who breed and sell fish like this in a ethical matter. I don't think you should have to become a "sponsor" to sell some clutches of fish? This is not a full blown commercial operation. Breeding fish is normal part of the hobby for advanced aquarist. And this is a forum is about the hobby!...right? And Michael, put me down for one of those beauties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hydro Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I think people in the club should support people who breed and sell fish like this in a ethical matter. I don't think you should have to become a "sponsor" to sell some clutches of fish? This is not a full blown commercial operation. Breeding fish is normal part of the hobby for advanced aquarist. And this is a forum is about the hobby!...right? And Michael, put me down for one of those beauties. I totally agree. If a person buys livestock at full retail price from an aquarium retailer (sponsor or not) and resells at any price (profit or loss) that should be acceptable IMO. This is no different than going to AAF and buying a large coral colony and breaking it down and selling frags, no one seems to have a problem with that. I was warned when I put up some hermit crabs for sell and shouldn't have been. I paid full retail price for 1000 hermit crabs so that I could get them for a reasonable price and the hermits that I didn't need I offered for sale at the same price I paid for them, passing my bulk buy savings on to other members....kind of like a group buy, which no one objects too. If a person has a commercial/wholesale account and is using the forum to resell livestock without being a sponsor I can see that being a problem, those people should be warned not us. Cool fish BTW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb in Austin Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Nick, You bring up a valid point. In Mike's initial post he didn't indicate that he was breeding them which is what raised the flag in my mind. I agree that breeding fish is not necessarily the realm of a sponsor. This case is somewhat unique in that it hasn't happened in the past so we are in some uncharted territory. I'll ask further discussion of sponsorship be discussed via PMs/email/privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mFrame Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 We've had other members selling clownfish fry, so this seems ok to me. It's the same as people who successfully raise corals and sell frags. The only issue I have is people bulk-buying fish and/or corals and then reselling. That should require sponsorship. Beautiful fish, and congrats on successfully raising them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teg Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 The only issue I have is people bulk-buying fish and/or corals and then reselling. That should require sponsorship. I agree, but only if they make a profit. That is some nice looking fish, is it as hard to raise as clownfish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Thanks to everyone for all the support! I replied to all the PMs that were sent to me. I still have plenty of Dottybacks available so let me know if you're interested Thanks, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) The only issue I have is people bulk-buying fish and/or corals and then reselling. That should require sponsorship. I agree, but only if they make a profit. That is some nice looking fish, is it as hard to raise as Clownfish? They are a harder fish to raise than Clownfish. Clownfish are nice because they can eat Zoo-plankton type foods the size of baby brine shrimp after the first three days. Dottybacks need a ton of attention and different types of food including Nannochloropsis phytoplankton and smaller zooplankton type creatures until they get through metamorphosis which happens when are usually around 30 days old. Expect to feed them 10+ times a day for good results. In addition to that you have to have a constant supply of a small variety of phytoplankton roughly 10+ gallons to make sure you can feed the fish and the foods that the fish eat. There are some great books on the subject of Orchid Dottyback raising and a lot of people, including me, have their own "secret recipe", on what works for them. Thank you for your interest Mike Edited January 20, 2011 by Michael Rodriguez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hydro Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 They are a harder fish to raise than Clownfish. Clownfish are nice because they can eat Zoo-plankton type foods the size of baby brine shrimp after the first three days. Dottybacks need a ton of attention and different types of food including Nannochloropsis phytoplankton and smaller zooplankton type creatures until they get through metamorphosis which happens when are usually around 30 days old. Expect to feed them 10+ times a day for good results. In addition to that you have to have a constant supply of a small variety of phytoplankton roughly 10+ gallons to make sure you can feed the fish and the foods that the fish eat. There are some great books on the subject of Orchid Dottyback raising and a lot of people, including me, have their own "secret recipe", on what works for them. Thank you for your interest Mike Wow so you are losing money on these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 I want to thank everyone who purchased Dottybacks so far. I hope they do great in their new aquariums. If you ever have any questions or concerns, you are more than welcome ask anytime! If anyone else is interested in purchasing one definately shoot me a PM. I have plenty left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugginu24 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Thanks much for the great fish. It was nice meeting you. Might have to come back and get more from later Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 No problem, it was great meeting you two! I hope you enjoy your new fish! The dogs were sad when you left. The Pogo stick dog thought she had a new playmate! If you ever need me to hold a fish for you, let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooks Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Very cool that you bred these!! Good luck with your sale! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share Posted January 26, 2011 Thank you! For anyone who is interested, there are around 10 left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Rodriguez Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 I updated the first post with new pricing. I also included a link to a bunch of equipment that I am selling. Thanks for looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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