Reburn Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 If you pull one pull both. Don't separate the pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Reburn said: If you pull one pull both. Don't separate the pair. I won't separate them. I failed at getting the male out yesterday, he wouldn't even come out of his hiding place for more than a few seconds. Going to try again in a little bit. The female should be pretty easy to grab with some food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 No luck with the fish trap today. The trigger was swimming around more and tried to eat both pellets and krill, but seems to be spitting it out after its been in his mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 I got both the male and female out of the tank and into a quarantine tank. On up-close inspection of the male, he has a super slight haze in his eyes. It looks like it could be from rubbing against the glass, or perhaps a early stage of eye clouding. I am going to start with a antibiotic treatment in a few hours. I will then follow up with a PraziPro treatment afterwards. Any advice on what to use? I bought Furan-2, SulfaPlex and Metroplex yesterday. I am leaning towards Furan-2 mainly because it says it treats fin & tail rot and eye cloud on the box. I noticed on the metroplex it says to mix with food, which would be a challenge considering he is not eating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I got both the male and female out of the tank and into a quarantine tank. On up-close inspection of the male, he has a super slight haze in his eyes. It looks like it could be from rubbing against the glass, or perhaps a early stage of eye clouding. I am going to start with a antibiotic treatment in a few hours. I will then follow up with a PraziPro treatment afterwards. Any advice on what to use? I bought Furan-2, SulfaPlex and Metroplex yesterday. I am leaning towards Furan-2 mainly because it says it treats fin & tail rot and eye cloud on the box. I noticed on the metroplex it says to mix with food, which would be a challenge considering he is not eating.When dealing with the unknown, I like to use a mix of antibiotics in emergency type scenarios. I've used Kanaplex, metroplex, and furan 2 on an emperor with a bacterial infection when one antibiotic did very little to combat the bacteria. All were dosed at recommended dosage by manufacturer. Just increase oxygen in the water using an air bubbler as adding each antibiotic robs the system of more oxygen.Read carefully on metro and it says that you can add it to food but it also states a dosage for just dosing in the water. It works without adding to food which is how I employ it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, FarmerTy said: When dealing with the unknown, I like to use a mix of antibiotics in emergency type scenarios. I've used Kanaplex, metroplex, and furan 2 on an emperor with a bacterial infection when one antibiotic did very little to combat the bacteria. All were dosed at recommended dosage by manufacturer. Just increase oxygen in the water using an air bubbler as adding each antibiotic robs the system of more oxygen. Read carefully on metro and it says that you can add it to food but it also states a dosage for just dosing in the water. It works without adding to food which is how I employ it. Just making sure I understand correctly, you used the mix of antibiotics at the same time? So I could use the Furan 2, Metroplex and Sulfaplex all at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just making sure I understand correctly, you used the mix of antibiotics at the same time? So I could use the Furan 2, Metroplex and Sulfaplex all at once.Yes, but I didn't use Sulfa. I used kanaplex, metroplex, and furan 2 at the same time. Just be careful like I mentioned, each additional antibiotic depletes oxygen even more so use an air bubbler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 55 minutes ago, FarmerTy said: Yes, but I didn't use Sulfa. I used kanaplex, metroplex, and furan 2 at the same time. Just be careful like I mentioned, each additional antibiotic depletes oxygen even more so use an air bubbler. Cool, thanks for the help with this. I ran to river city and picked up some KanaPlex. Kana seems to be used more with Mextroplex than Sulfa & Metro together, so I will go with whats known to be okay together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 I have dosed the metroplex, kanaplex and Furan2. I bought some ghost shrimp today while at river city. While the female was merking the shrimp left and right, the male was only lazily going after them. I ended up grabbing a couple with some tweezers and hand feeding the male. I took a video of the 2nd shrimp I hand fed him. Not sure if he really ate any or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BobcatReefer Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Really pretty fish - hope he gets better soon! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Did the 2nd dose of Furan 2 tonight. No change in the Trigger's eating habits. Seems uninterested in food in general today. I'm going to pick up some more feeder shrimps and try to hand feed him tomorrow. Video is me feeding a bit of LFR food. This was after trying krill and few pellets. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Things are not looking good No interest in foods what-so-ever, and is having trouble staying upright. Sorry for the bad video, but you'll get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juiceman Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Bummer dudeSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Sorry to hear! Did you ever try asking on the national forums to see of anybody has an idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 52 minutes ago, FarmerTy said: Sorry to hear! Did you ever try asking on the national forums to see of anybody has an idea? No I didn't post on the national forums, but I did some googling the other day and there are a few other cases where triggers stop eating. The responses came to the same conclusions as we came to here, either bacterial infection, parasitic infection, collected with cyanide or being harassed. We can eliminate the last two causes, these guys have been in captivity for years, and they weren't being harassed in the tank. That leaves only the bacterial infections or parasitic infections. I think I went about the treatment in the right way. Treating a possible bacterial infection first, since there are some minor signs of a possible infection, while there are no obvious signs of parasites. We'll see if he is still kicking when I get back home tonight, I haven't given up yet even though prognosis is not good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reburn Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Sucks dude. Have you tried to feed them nori? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Reburn said: Sucks dude. Have you tried to feed them nori? Yeah I tried nori that was soaked with some chopped up garlic yesterday morning but it didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Ever seen when they sedate a fish with clove oil and force feed it with a syringe of food?Just throwing out last straws to try to save it. There is a fish vet in town. Jake at RCA knows him and Juicemam has used him before as well if you want to go down that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 Hes looking the same tonight (not good). I went ahead and did a 25% water change and did the fresh doses of Furan 2, Metro and Kana. Whether or not he survives, I'll continue to do a full treatment of antibiotics then a treatment of prazi on the female incase she has the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, FarmerTy said: Ever seen when they sedate a fish with clove oil and force feed it with a syringe of food? Just throwing out last straws to try to save it. There is a fish vet in town. Jake at RCA knows him and Juicemam has used him before as well if you want to go down that route. I haven't heard of the forced feeding before. Honestly I just got done having emergency surgery on my dog after she ate a coozie a few weeks ago, so after that bill my Vet budget is nil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 The force feeding you can try yourself. I only mentioned the vet as a last option if you want to pursue it.Your poor dog. I always worry when I catch my dog eating stuff he shouldn't that I'd have an emergency visit like that one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 hour ago, FarmerTy said: The force feeding you can try yourself. I only mentioned the vet as a last option if you want to pursue it. Your poor dog. I always worry when I catch my dog eating stuff he shouldn't that I'd have an emergency visit like that one day. With the dog it was kind of a freak accident. My dog, Olive, had been playing with coozies for years kind of as a dog toy. Turns out it's really bad if they eat them! The coozie couldn't pass the stomach, but threads were hanging off of it and moved to the intestines and tore them all up. So after that $5K lesson, no more letting Olive play with coozies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) No change in his condition overnight. I think at lunch I am going to go ahead and dose PraziPro as well. From Sunday afternoon to now there hasn't been any benefits from anitbotics, so I'm guessing now it must be a parasite. From what I can tell using Prazi with antibotics is not encouraged due to the possible lack of oxygen. I have a big air pump running now at about 50% that I can crank up and several more small pumps and air stones I can add. With all that going I think it should be okay. I don't want to kill the female trying to save the male though. Don't think I will try the forced feeding. I don't have a tube or barb that is narrow/rigid like is suggested on the videos. I do have a pippette that I cut the narrow tip off of, but I am concerned that it is sharp and would cut up his insides. I did see some videos online that had just a short syringe tip that was just placed in the fish's mouth and not all the way in the stomach. I may try that. Edited December 13, 2017 by BornToHula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHula Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Added Prazi this morning and hooked up a few more air pumps. No change in condition yet. I did try feeding him just using a syringe into his mouth but that didn't work. I have something that I think will work as a feed tube so I'm going to go ahead and try to force feed him as a last ditch effort. Edit. Did the forced feeding. Used 3 drops of clove oil for 3/4 gallon to sedate him. I couldn't tell if the syringe went all the way to his stomach or not but it was pretty deep in there. I dosed about a ml of a NLS pellet sludge I made up. Think I've done all I can for now, time will tell if any of this will work! Edited December 14, 2017 by BornToHula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Added Prazi this morning and hooked up a few more air pumps. No change in condition yet. I did try feeding him just using a syringe into his mouth but that didn't work. I have something that I think will work as a feed tube so I'm going to go ahead and try to force feed him as a last ditch effort. Edit. Did the forced feeding. Used 3 drops of clove oil for 3/4 gallon to sedate him. I couldn't tell if the syringe went all the way to his stomach or not but it was pretty deep in there. I dosed about a ml of a NLS pellet sludge I made up. Think I've done all I can for now, time will tell if any of this will work!Good call on the pellets. They are nutrient dense. I hope that buys you time to be able to diagnose his issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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