barderer Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 More accurate way to determine Alkalinity After trying to get a accurate reading with my color titration Alkalinity test kit and failing. I can't tell the difference between the slight color changes. My gf gives a different reading than I do because we see the color differently. I just don't think those kits are very accurate. So I figure I have a digital pH meter why not do a HCL titration to saturate the alkalinity and calculate the amount of HCL used to get total alkalinity. Note: I am not a chemist but this is high school chemistry so if you are a chemist please take a look at my method and scrutinize. The hard part; Making a 0.1 N solution of hydrochloric acid. Grab a bottle of muriatic acid from your local home depot. Mine sells 20 baume 31.45% w/w HCl. Now we have to calculate the Morality of this solution. Most bottles will have a baume number on them. You will need this. To calculate the total weight of HCl in the bottle we take: Specific gravity * %of HCl = g of HCl Specific gravity can be found by 145/(145-baume). So in my case I have a s.g. of 145/(145-20) = 1.16 Total HCl is 1.16 *1000 * .3145 = 364.82g HCl Now I can find my morality, the molecular weight of HCl is 36.46g 364.82g/36.46g = 10 M So in sort, the HCl home depot sells is 10 M. This is way too strong for practical purposes so we want to make a dilution of this for our titration. We are going to need a 0.1 N stock solution of HCl so first we will make a 1 N solution then make a 0.1 N solution from that. You should really make the stock solutions in phases like this for accuracy. M1V1 = M2V2 we want to make a 1000ml 1 M solution from a 10 M so. 10x = 1 * 1000 x= 100 ml So we add 100ml to 900ml of DI water (make sure your water reads 0 on your TDS meter.) and we get a 1 N stock solution. The pH of this solution should read 0.1 if your meter can handle this. Now we do the same thing to make a .1 N solution from this solution. Let’s make a 1000ml of this stuff so we don’t have to do it again for a long time. 0.1*1000/1 = 100 ml. So add 100 ml of the 1N solution to 900 ml of DI water and you will finally have your stock solution!!! Measure the pH of this solution as a check. It should be 1.1 . Easy part; Testing Now take a sample of your aquarium water, you can use any volume but I like to use 100ml because my pH meter sits nicely in the cup without me holding it at this level. Stick in your pH meter to your sample. You should get the same reading you do when you stick it directly in your tank. If not start over with a clean sample container. Now draw up some 0.1 N HCl solution in to your 5ml syringe. And start dropping into your sample 0.5 mls at a time and watch your pH meter. You are adding a strong acid so your pH should fall rapidly. Once your pH hits 5 start to slow down and add a drop at a time until your pH hits 4.5 . The reason we are shooting for 4.5 is because this is the point where all available carbonates have been converted to carbonic acid. You would think this would be pH 7 but it’s not as carbonic acid is a weak acid and you have to really saturate it etc. Anyway, once you have reached pH 4.5 you are done and now can calculate your total alkalinity. Alk mg of CaC03 /L = A x N x 50,000 / mL of sample Where A = ml of acid added N = normality of your HCL So if you added 4ml of 0.1 HCL before you hit a pH of 4.5 4*0.1*50,000 / 100 = 400 ppm CaC03 equivalents or your total alkalinity is 2 meg/L (mg/L / 50 = meg/L). Very accurate! And cheaaap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill B Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Wooow - I musta been absent that day in chemistry class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKarshens Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Whooooooooosh! Right over my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedelgado Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I was told there would be no math..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmelhiser Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Sweet!!! Now, what's the formula for lead to gold!!? (and make sure all the needed parts can be found at home depot) -Travis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barderer Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 If you had access to a nuclear reactor you could turn lead to gold!!. Serious this is a high school chemistry. Sigh, we need more public school funding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barderer Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 The chemist of reef central have polished this up a little at. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthre...hreadid=1583884 Mainly we need to shoot for pH 4.2 with sea water and one of the conversion factors was a typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmelhiser Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 If you had access to a nuclear reactor you could turn lead to gold!!. Serious this is a high school chemistry. Sigh, we need more public school funding I know of nice nuclear reactor in Chernobyl that someone might be willing to part with for a song! Beautiful place, and a heck of a savings on hair cuts... and no need to go the tanning salon anymore... you'll have that nice warm glow (even in the dark) all year long! Let's do it!!! Let's make us some gold! I don't know which high school you were able to attend, but the one I went to had one Bunsen burner and a beaker we all took turns making rock candy in... The only chemists our school churned out probably turned into meth dealers. (sad) -t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reybeast Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Can you put that in an excel sheet and/or html so that I can just plug in the numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barderer Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Maybe I should just sell liter bottles of stock solution for 5 bucks. Enough to do alk test for years! hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reybeast Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Now thats an idea! I would pay 5 bucks for a better and more accurate test. "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedelgado Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 count me in for one of those test kits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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