+SChrisEV Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I saw this, this morning on some Fairy Dust Palys. Sorry the pictures is not better. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherita Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Looks like zoa eating nudi to me. If it is, you have a battle on your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason & Amber Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Noob question here can you just remove that polyp or cut it off of it? Where do they come from do they just show up or did it hitch hike in on something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SChrisEV Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Noob question here can you just remove that polyp or cut it off of it? Where do they come from do they just show up or did it hitch hike in on something? Yeah, way can't I just pull this colony out, and go over it well, remove them? Also anything that will naturally go after these? IF that is indeed what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherita Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 First, removing just the adults you can see is pointless. They lay eggs by the thousands in crevices and holes, where you can't see them. I've heard a few people saying they have luck with sixline wrasses. The "for sure" way to get rid of them is to put every last zoa into quarantine (this will starve them out of the main tank), then dip your zoas every 3-4 days until you don't see any more, and hold the zoas in qt for at least another 4 weeks or so, until you are sure there are no more of them. Zoa eating nudies are a zoa keepers nightmare. They are hard to get rid of once you have them. Going full bore with qt, dipping, and close observation is the only true way to get rid of them forever. They normally hitchike in as eggs, or as adults that are not seen. And the dips that we use will kill the adults, but does not kill the eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherita Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 If you can get a clearer photo, I can give you a positive id (or tell you that it's not a nudi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SChrisEV Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Well 100% a nudi... any change they are not zoa eaters? Then took the paly colony out of the tank, and found two of these guys: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SChrisEV Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 The 6 line was on my list, I had one many years ago and really liked them, but was waiting to build up my pod population a lot, so I could add a Mandarinfish then the 6 line after.Looks like that plan is not gunna work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherita Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Absolutely, 100% zoa eating nudis. No doubt about it. Time for qt. Even with a sixline, there's no guarantee that you won't lose every last zoa. I battled them one time, and I won. But I used the qt/dip/removal method because my wrasse wasn't eating them (they just look like they would taste bad, so I can't blame him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planeden Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (they just look like they would taste bad, so I can't blame him). LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason & Amber Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Once again maybe a noob question what are the worm things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SChrisEV Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 What sux, I do have a 10g tank that I can use for a QT, but I was not really ready to set it all up. So are there any issues in plumbing this 10 into my existing sump? Or will that allow the Nudi to work their way back into the display tank? I have some dragon eye zoa that have attached to a base rock, so those will not becoming out. I will pull the majority of them. Thanks for the ID Sherita, but at least now I have an idea of that I am up against. What do you suggest I use for a dip on the Zoas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SChrisEV Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Once again maybe a noob question what are the worm things? Worm things? Are you talking about the more brown/gold pictures? This are the Nudibranchs (Nudi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason & Amber Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Well hopefully you can get rid of them my wife likes the zoas so thats why I have so many questions so when we start getting them I know things to look for. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherita Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 For a dip, I use Bayer Insecticide (no, I am NOT joking). You can get it at Home Depot, in a blue bottle with a silver label "Bayer Advanced Insect Killer". Use 2cc per cup of water (use tank water for the dip), let sit in the dip for 5 minutes, rinse in fresh saltwater, then use a magnifying glass to look for, and remove, any eggs you can find. don't plumb your qt into your sump, the eggs will just wind up back in your dt. Get a small hob filter, and a pc or t5 light. Since you won't be feeding anything in the qt it will be easier to maintain. Water changes every couple of days, have Prime or Amquel on hand in case of an ammonia spike. And let the battle begin. If you have any questions, feel free to pm, or call me if you need to 32five, 2one4, zero1three5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Bio)³ Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 What sux, I do have a 10g tank that I can use for a QT, but I was not really ready to set it all up. So are there any issues in plumbing this 10 into my existing sump? Or will that allow the Nudi to work their way back into the display tank? I have some dragon eye zoa that have attached to a base rock, so those will not becoming out. I will pull the majority of them. Thanks for the ID Sherita, but at least now I have an idea of that I am up against. What do you suggest I use for a dip on the Zoas? Chris, Pull all zoa to a new tank that is a seperate system. Dip with Coral RX or a lugols solution. Repeat this as long as sherita said above. starve them out of your DT. good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpb Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 This thread makes me never want to add any new zoas to my tank ever again lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jestep Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I believe peroxide works on them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherita Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I believe peroxide works on them as well. It only stuns the adults, it does nothing for the eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpb Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Does lugols iodine kill the adults? Peroxide is great for killing any pest algae that may come in I know that much. I've always dipped any soft tissue corals (zoas, leathers, lps) in lugols. I use Bayer for all sps. Can we confirm that Bayer is safe for softies AND kills nudis? I wonder why NOTHING seems to kill eggs. Why is it that pest eggs seem to be impervious to everything yet good eggs like fish eggs or otherwise seem to be so delicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherita Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I use Bayer for EVERYTHING that comes here coral wise. Zoas most certainly have no problem with it. And it dose kill the nudis, just not the eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherita Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I give up. Autocorrect is driving me nuts. Bayer works great on zoas and they tolerate it just fine. Like anything else, it doesn't kill the eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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