+Mlaw Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Woke up this morning and couldn't find my royal gramma. Wife finally spotted him wedged into a small hole in a rock. Only thing we can see is his tail sticking out. He waves it around now and again. I'm not 100% sure if he is stuck or not but it looks like it. Should I try to help him get out or leave him there? Going to do a water check this afternoon as work permits to make sure nothing wrong with parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 if lights are off i would leave him there till they come on, may have just found a new spot to sleep, givi it awhile cause tryin to manually et him out may do mor damage, but just my opinion, my phsdochromis did this once and while trying to get him out, he fell on the floor and what was funny when i put him back in the tank, he went right back for the same hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mFrame Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I'd leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted February 22, 2013 Author Share Posted February 22, 2013 well he moved on his own but now I can't find him. Hoping he hasn't found a quiet place to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 what happen, did you find him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 nope. He hasn't shown himself. There's a lot of rock work he could be in but my feeling is he hid in a new place and died. I'm keeping an eye out but am doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 bummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 And now my flame angel has disappeared. He looked a little pale at one point yesterday but was swimming and eating well enough. Got up this morning and couldn't find him. Lots of hiding places and spots I can't see so he could be in there somewhere I suppose. Really frustrating. Didn't see them prior to disappearance so I have no way to k ow what is going on. If the all die I'm gonna be out of saltwater due to wife displeasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Check temperature, salinity, and then (NH4, NO3, NO3). After that, youre pretty much at the mercy of carbon and water changes if it's a water quality issue. If it's a health issue, you're into a whole other rabbit hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 Just got back from RCA and my levels are all "good". Ammonia and nitrate are detectible, but I'm not too surprised about that. Even so they aren't particularly high. Temp and salinity seem fine. I think I'm going to hook up a spare canister filter running carbon and a UV filter. I'll do a smallish water change today or tomorrow ( I was thinking 20% or so. It's a 130 gallon tank so I'd like to try not to spend too much on water if possible) I'm feeding regularly with Spectrum soaked in garlic and some algae sheets for the rabbit fish. Anything else you can think of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 How old is the tank? I don't think NH4 should be detected at all. Most fish can handle pretty high nitrates, but they're not real keen on ammonia. Were any of your fish gasping or red gilled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Monnat Jr Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Ah, that was probably you at RCA when I was there around 11:30. I recommend getting a Poly-Filter, which they sell at RCA. It'll change colors to show which contaminants are in your tank, including ammonia, and help filter it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 That was me! I'll pick up a poly filter later today. Just put it in the canister? The tank is odd. Technically it has been up and running for years, butwith no filtration etc until about a year ago. Long story involving afire. Anyway, I would say that it is at least a year old. I didn't really get a chance to look at the fish that are missing. Didn't see any red gills but maybe. The fish that are in there don't look like they have red gills. 2 are clowns so it is hard to tell. The foxfax rabbit looks okay and the pajama cardinals are hard to see. By gasping do you mean going to the surface for air? If so none are doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Monnat Jr Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 That was me! I'll pick up a poly filter later today. Just put it in the canister? I cut out a square and put it above my return pump inlet in the sump, but you can put it anywhere with flow going through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 Canister with carbon running and everyone looks good. Eating like pigs. Hopefully I have it under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Monnat Jr Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Good news. Have you tested for ammonia or seen the Poly-Filter turn yellow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Ammonia is basically non-existent. But I did discover, while installing the UV sterilizer that I have a bit of stray voltage in the refugium/sump. Found out the hard way. Just a little zap but still enough to startle me. Not sure if that voltage could have traveled up to the DT and cause the problem or not but I'm going to deal with it. Spending some time to night testing to see who the offending piece of equipment is and installing a grounding probe. Hopefully that will make a difference. not sure if it is the canister running the carbon or the UV sterilizer but 4 days after putting them both online my water is cleaner and clearer than it has ever been before. Loving it. Even if I'm missing a few fish to look at in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 well the culprit was my cheap made in china knock off protein skimmer. We're now running no skimmer until I can figure out what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Monnat Jr Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 well the culprit was my cheap made in china knock off protein skimmer. We're now running no skimmer until I can figure out what to do. Was it adding lead or melamine or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mlaw Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 it was adding electricity. Had some stray voltage coming from the power head that runs in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Monnat Jr Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 it was adding electricity. Had some stray voltage coming from the power head that runs in. That sucks. You could write this up with everything you saw and discovered like a "lessons learned" article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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