aggieMEDIC Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 I like the veto idea. The participants or an unbiased third party should be able to veto a cost and assign a different price if one is reported outrageously low. But at the same time if you can prove you paid $20 for an entire acro colony because you found some awesome deal on CL then great for you. That's why I suggest finding a similar item on this board or another board and pricing it accordingly. If Capt obvious sells something for really cheap tomorrow it may help all of us. It may also hurt all of us. We just have to be fair in our pricing, and should have some system for resolving disputes. I am not the person to do it (because I'm cheap) but we need to find someone who is willing who knows about pricing these things. Finding things cheap on the boards is the best way to stay in budget. If you ''sell'' something to your Pico from your main tank. If its not fairly priced it could be looked into. Sent from my hacked HP Touchpad running Android ICS using Tapatalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckyuv Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 aggieMEDIC do you change ur phone every day or what? ur sig changes pretty often... oh btw im down as long as kimp dont come in and kill us on the picos lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggieMEDIC Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 aggieMEDIC do you change ur phone every day or what? ur sig changes pretty often HAHAHA. multiple devices... Tapatalk on my phone (Galaxy S3) then i use Tapatalk on my Hacked Android Touchpad. then over the last few days since i have been sick at home i have been using my laptop. so different sig depending on what device im using. honestly i never really thought of it being different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 This is exciting, I think this will be a blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggieMEDIC Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 I agree. Maybe we can get a forum section for it, for build logs, rules. Etc. Who do we need to ask about that? Sent from my Galaxy SIII which is cooler than your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 A moderator I presume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaysStanford Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Maybe we should have a predefined price that everyone agrees on for every 1/4 inch of certain corals. Like each 1/4 inch of birdnest coral takes 5 dollars out of your budget. I feel like if someone get a really good deal on something than it could be extremely unfair for those who cant find any good deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Maybe we should have a predefined price that everyone agrees on for every 1/4 inch of certain corals. Like each 1/4 inch of birdnest coral takes 5 dollars out of your budget. I feel like if someone get a really good deal on something than it could be extremely unfair for those who cant find any good deals. While in ways I like this idea, I am also fond of keeping this true to many parts of the hobby (to which, I feel, finding deals is part of it). I would say it would make since to set some pricing standards...not sure what they would be though. I also would think placing a size restriction on what you can start with would be important,,,again, anyone can slap a golfball sized birdsnest into a pico and make it look amazing, it takes skill to grow out a frag that is 1" to be that golfball...which, to me, should be rewarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Bio)³ Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 If rather not have preset prices. Getting deals is part of the fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 If rather not have preset prices. Getting deals is part of the fun. I agree with this, however how do we get around "self fragging" (taking corals you already have to populate your pico at zero cost)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Bio)³ Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 That falls back to fmv pricing. Say it's a birds nest. Past frags sold for 10-20 so I say take 15 off. If you bought it for 5 then take 5 off but when pulling from one tank to the next do fmv. Basically if I get a deal I shouldn't be punished $$$ wise to make it fair... It was for sale and I bought it just like anyone else could have I guess, in my eyes it was fair game to all I just got it first;) if I missed a deal and someone else hit it I wouldn't have a problem with that either. Just not a sore loser, I like the competition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 ^ +1 to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubasteve92 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 what if you can prove what the price of the frag was and about how big? ie. past pms, texts, and the other person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 what if you can prove what the price of the frag was and about how big? ie. past pms, texts, and the other person I am ok with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggieMEDIC Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 So I guess its settled. Starts jan15. Tanks must be empty at midnight the morning of 1-15-12. Unless someone has any problems with the rules as they are currently written they will stand as official rules. 5Gallons or less. How would we be able to get this as a club sponsored thing? Sent from my Galaxy SIII which is cooler than your phone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubasteve92 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 So I guess its settled. Starts jan15. Tanks must be empty at midnight the morning of 1-15-12. Unless someone has any problems with the rules as they are currently written they will stand as official rules. 5Gallons or less. Are the rules the list on one of the previous pages? So, it is whatever you want for a tank? As long as it is not over 5 gallons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubasteve92 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Well, this definitely won't count, but what if someone gives me the tank? Does that mean I use $0 of my equip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Bio)³ Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 what if I buy a tank setup for 100 then sell off uneeded parts? do I get to add that back to my budget? What if I end up selling for more than 100 in parts? Do I increase my budget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jestep Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think tank cost is not counted against the equipment budget, but everything else is, correct? I do think the AIO vs from scratch cost disparity needs to be resolved unless nobody else thinks it's an issue. My issue with it is that it would be nearly impossible to come anywhere near the same cost buying a light and filter separately. Keeping the lighting, sand and rock alone under $150 is probably going to be a bit of a trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think tank cost is not counted against the equipment budget, but everything else is, correct? I do think the AIO vs from scratch cost disparity needs to be resolved unless nobody else thinks it's an issue. My issue with it is that it would be nearly impossible to come anywhere near the same cost buying a light and filter separately. Keeping the lighting, sand and rock alone under $150 is probably going to be a bit of a trick. This is the very reason I will be going AIO, i can get a pump and light and not have it cost against my equipment budget...otherwise I would be making a sweet custom acrylic pico tank...but with how the rules are it is a deterrent to anything but an AIO. that is kinda why I thought if you don't get a AIO you could maybe take the remaining balance and move it toward equipment, but that didn't seem to go over too well. i think if you get an AIO it should be under $150. if you piece together one you should be able to carry the surplus to equipment. Or how about...no matter what your tank costs (AIO or build from scratch or just a glass/acrylic box) you subtract it from the $150 tank budget and the remainder becomes a "slush fund", which makes it a bit more fair. ex: Joe buys an AIO for $120 leaving him $30 to add to any of the other budgets as he sees fit ex #2: sally buys a 4 gallon fluval for $75 leaving her $75 to add to any other budget she seems necessary ex #3: Ignacio buys acrylic and builds his own for $25 (I am sure you get the point) this allows a leveling of the playing field from the start but still allows for freedom to "pick your own canvas" so to speak Discuss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggieMEDIC Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'm ok with that. I have an idea I would like to do but it sets me back a long way because I would have to build my tank and then come up with lighting etc. So I was going to go with an aio instead. Sent from my Galaxy SIII which is cooler than your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Bio)³ Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think tank cost is not counted against the equipment budget, but everything else is, correct? I do think the AIO vs from scratch cost disparity needs to be resolved unless nobody else thinks it's an issue. My issue with it is that it would be nearly impossible to come anywhere near the same cost buying a light and filter separately. Keeping the lighting, sand and rock alone under $150 is probably going to be a bit of a trick. This is the very reason I will be going AIO, i can get a pump and light and not have it cost against my equipment budget...otherwise I would be making a sweet custom acrylic pico tank...but with how the rules are it is a deterrent to anything but an AIO. that is kinda why I thought if you don't get a AIO you could maybe take the remaining balance and move it toward equipment, but that didn't seem to go over too well. i think if you get an AIO it should be under $150. if you piece together one you should be able to carry the surplus to equipment. Or how about...no matter what your tank costs (AIO or build from scratch or just a glass/acrylic box) you subtract it from the $150 tank budget and the remainder becomes a "slush fund", which makes it a bit more fair. ex: Joe buys an AIO for $120 leaving him $30 to add to any of the other budgets as he sees fit ex #2: sally buys a 4 gallon fluval for $75 leaving her $75 to add to any other budget she seems necessary ex #3: Ignacio buys acrylic and builds his own for $25 (I am sure you get the point) this allows a leveling of the playing field from the start but still allows for freedom to "pick your own canvas" so to speak Discuss. +1 to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 so tank budget it $150 with excess carrying over into a slush fund (proof of cost required) and the reset is as stated in the earlier posts, yeah? I'd sure love to see some sponsor step in and offer cool prizes (even if it is just something small) and maybe we could have a judging panel of LFS celebrities...or someone ask Mark to judge us.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Grog Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'm into this. I like the idea of building from scratch and using the money saved on hardware for livestock etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Capt. Obvious Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 so it appears all are in favor for that change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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