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MrZ2u last won the day on April 1 2021

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  • Birthday 03/04/1970

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    Woodworking, Lutherie, Home Brewing, Scouting with my sons

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  1. Since that wonderful week in Feb 2021 destroyed my tank I have been doing some research into how to prevent that from happening again. I thought I would share my thoughts and plans in the event any of you are thinking about this topic as well. We lost power at 05:00 on Monday and didnt get it back at all till 05:00 on Friday...there was no rolling happening here! Our furnaces are gas but their blower motors obviously aren't. I had a genny that was a little over 20yrs old and for the last 6.5 yrs its been stored outside under a canoe on sawhorses...in other words, not the best way. It was only 3000w anyway so it wouldnt have done what I am going to do with the new one I have now I wanted a duel fuel that would make at least 5500w running power while using natural gas. My calculations put running my house as if the power wasnt out during that week at about 4300-4800 watts provided we didnt run the dryer, oven or microwave. I didnt put a clamp on the mains to confirm this and will but I feel pretty solid about those estimates. I landed on this fella https://www.homedepot.com/p/WEN-11-000-8-300-Watt-120V-240V-Dual-Fuel-Gasoline-and-Propane-Powered-Electric-Start-Portable-Generator-with-Wheel-Kit-DF1100T/307728024 In addition to making the required wattage I wanted it to have a 50amp outlet and dollar per watt this is the best value that met my specs. Now there is a way to make the price even better. If you buy direct from Wen and in a quantity of 8 then they are only $700 with no tax and free shipping. I put out a call on nextdoor for people to join up to buy in bulk and we ordered 12 in total. It is dual fuel and I said natural gas above...dual in this case means gasoline and liquid propane. I have not yet tinkered with running it on NG yet but any internal combustion engine that will run on LP will also run on NG if you can feed it enough. I'll come back with the particulars on that once I have it worked out. It could be just a new orifice like it is on a LP grill. It could also be that a typical 1/2in line that most houses are plumbed with wont make the volume needed. Lots to consider...work in progress. Stay tuned. In any event it will provide me more than enough to run the whole house. But we need to define "whole house". For me that means whole house minus the AC's because I suspect those are power budget breakers for this particular genny. For anyone with electric heating, furnace and/or water, this dings you there as well though not as bad as the AC because they dont have the same starting spike as the compressors do. Now about that 50 amp outlet on the generator. You dont run a bunch of extension cords in the house...that not whole house and you cant plug in the furnace anyway. You are going to need a way to attach to the breaker and back feed your house thru its own breaker panel. This is pretty easy as it turns out. Even if you need to do it per "code" and lets be honest, code is just a minimum set of standards. I bought this "RV outlet" from Lowes and will wire it to my main panel with 6ft of 6ga wire...which exceeds what code calls for. https://www.lowes.com/pd/GE-50-Amp-Temporary-RV-Power-Outlet/5001461125 I am not putting a interlock on mine, or at least I havent decided that I am...probably not. What that is for is preventing you from having this outlets breaker on while the main panel breaker is on. There are two reasons you dont want to do that. One is that if both are on you will also back feed into your service line and that is a safety issue for any linemen working down stream from you by making what they would expect to be a dead wire live. The other is you waste power and in some situations may possibly overload the genny. What you want to have is a "RV outlet" Not a transfer switch. That nomenclature can mean a big price delta...and possibly a code hiccup as well. This video explains the process pretty well. Hope you all find this helpful...
  2. The snowpocalypse nuked my little Fusion Lagoon. I had been thinking of drilling it and removing all the AIO partitions to do a sump so this gave me that opportunity. I had several projects in front of rebuilding this so I thought I would put the whole thing on Craigslist to see if someone might take it all off my hands before I got to the project. Didnt really expect that to happen but it did so I get to start from scratch.Already bought the new display tank, 24x24 12in deep...slightly larger than the Fusion Lagoon which suits my space a little better. https://sevenports.com/product/symbolic-45-degree-30-gal-aquarium-24-x-24-x-12-with-mat/I also bought a Fiji Cube overflow box. More flow than it needed to be but as small as I could get with a bean animal option. I did want the wider skimmer box as well so I ended up with this one.https://www.fijicube.com/collections/overflow-box/products/low-profile-external-overflow-box-1200pgh The first of probably several opinions requested...I plan to center the overflow. Pros and cons for two vs one return...and how close to the overflow
  3. Tank = Innovative Marine Fusion Lagoon 25 I am needing a new wave maker because mine now prefers to just stay on and be a full time power head. My return pump is the stock AC 295gph pump...Ive wanted to upgrade it for a while but why I dont really know for sure Option 1 - upgrade the return pump to a DC 528gph sine wave pump and skip the wave maker. Option 2 - just replace wave maker I am leaning towards option 1 because with the wave function I dont really need the pulsing from a separate device which has always bugged me visually. Pros and Cons?
  4. Its an Innovative Marine Lagoon 25...this is a shot down into the back side. There would be socks or sponges on both sides...here it has the socks but they have never been used before.
  5. Well thats kinda why I am thinking of switching. I have a very open cell sponge on top of a much finer one right now and cleaning them isnt a big deal...its more that I think stuff is getting past them cause I have to clean out the back about every three months or so. I think the socks would trap more and maybe even be a little simpler to clean???
  6. I have one of the AIO type aquariums and it came with filter socks for the overflows. Being an obsessive DIY type I of course had to have those removed and the media shelf types put in their place. I have since decided that I dont need and I dont use those shelves but for the top one where I have a pair of sponges to catch gunk. I am thinking of pulling those since they are not doing a hell of a lot and using the socks to get a little finer trapping of said gunk. Any pros or cons in your opinions?
  7. MrZ2u

    Sea Hare

    They say its good to have goals...
  8. MrZ2u

    Sea Hare

    Unfortunately, I do not. He was going along doing his thing and kept pooping so I figured he was still finding things to eat. Woke up one morning and he was no more. I dont think he starved at all...even dead he had a turd hanging.
  9. On a totally different note...anyone ever read One Second After? Give it a go...it should scare the crap out of you https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4922079-one-second-after
  10. Oh sure...all that is part of my thought project. Thats why the heater is on the UPS right now...to my thinking its really, kind of, the most important thing right NOW. I have the UPS cause, well, it was free so why not use it. I have them all over the house as well. One on the internet gateway, one on the DVR (priorities ya know) and one on the PC...then of course the aquarium. I cant remember the last time we had a power outage up her in RR. I know we do every now and again cause the clock on the microwave tells me so... but they never seem to last long. If they were frequent and prolonged that would be part of my thinking...or more part of it anyway. The hotter months are more concerning to me as well. I feel like keeping the temp from climbing is easier than keeping it from falling. Unless the whole area is down I can drive to get some ice. I have a gas furnace but the blower...well, yeah, there is that. I mean there is only so much you can do if the electricity goes down for too long and this was more an exercise to see if the one I am using right now, which is kinda in my way, is more perceived security or actual. the more I think about it the more it seems perceived. ...but I am thinking about hanging the dang thing in the attic like I discussed above cause that will only be the cost of a 2-way box and an outlet...I have left over romex from the first drop
  11. Well, yeah, that the crazy end of it all. I have almost covered my roof with panels twice now. Was about to pull the trigger each time and then I got laid off...each time. Kinda has me a little gun shy about looking at solar ya know But that would certainly solve all this to at least some degree. Even on days like today the panels would be putting out something...having the power walls like your friend would, in theory, put the whole house on a UPS so to speak. Then one just has to be careful how you use the power and as advertised you could potentially make it through any outage.
  12. Those must be some really old basic UPS's and even then somewhat defective. Even a homemade UPS (actually pretty simple) should drain based on the load...part of which is the inverter itself but that is built into the manufacturers suggested numbers. Newer ones do a battery conditioning and you can reasonably expect much longer life out of the batteries themselves. Its hard to know for sure whats inside but a lot have 12v batteries...there are two big suckers sitting in my driveway right now. That requires forethought to cable out of the UPS to facilitate that but its very doable.
  13. Although…the physical proximity of the tank lends itself to another solution to keep the UPS as well as fortifying it for longer run times and it wouldn’t be much trouble really. There was no AC power behind this tank till I put it there. Almost directly above that back wall in the attic is an AC outlet and the doorbell transformer. I really just lopped off the C13 end of an old monitor power cable, butt jointed it to some romex and dropped it down the wall...it still has the 5-15p on the other end even…its quite literally just plugged in! I could change the 1way box to a two way, drop another stretch of romex, put this plug on the non-battery side and the new one to the battery and then the wall would be conditioned on one outlet and battery-backed on the other. That so totally touches my geek nerve cause that would be slick even if it only impresses people like you At this point I could terminal out of the UPS itself and use a much larger battery...deep cycle car battery for example...talk about run time. I could even get crazy with it and put a solar panel on the roof above it...it could get out of hand!
  14. The goodwill over on 183 and metric has a computer section and they often have these "dead" UPS's Thats where I scored the 2800va ones I had under my 200 years ago for like$10 This is where understanding what cares about pure sein wave and what doesnt pays off cause the older ones are the cheapest and cheapest to put batteries in usually as well. Only two AC pumps in my set up and they can take the dirty power just fine...and even if they didnt I would just replace them with DC versions that I cannot justify at this time
  15. First, APC makes several UPS models that produce modified sine wave power when on battery…for an ordinary PC that’s no problem…for most things that’s no problem. Pure sine wave is only available as you move up to the more expensive units in their lineup…same with Tripplite, Cyberpower, etc. To the degree you should even care its only for certain AC powered devices. The Apex systems themselves little more than a tiny “PC” of sorts and they are DC powered internally which is not apparent since there is no wall wart on that power cable, rather buried inside. You would want to protect them from surges but the line conditioning is not of use to them. DC devices are much more tolerant of voltage fluctuations (brown power) which is mostly what power conditioners seek to eliminate. This is a different topic all together really…lets step way back and take the electrical engineering and the Apex out of the conversation. I didn’t specify my setup extremely well so this diversion to more complex systems was my faultJ My tank is not a closed loop…anywhere, it’s a Fusion Lagoon 25 “AIO”. I have the main “return pump”, a skimmer, wave maker, heater, ATO and the light. Presently all I have on the battery side is the main pump, ATO and the heater. The question was more about how much do we really need to care about the circulation with a tank like this? o2 exchange occurs on the water surface and there is almost 4sq ft of that here. It seems unlikely that the system would go anaerobic for a very long time. Way more time than would be experienced in an ordinary power outage and for an extended one I have a generator. The heater would probably not drain much most of the time because most of the time the air outside is hotter than my water anyway…though on days like today it seems like it might be the most critical component for extended outages. In any event my UPS is only sufficient for outages when I am in town and can make other arrangements for things if they drag on. If I went on vacation tomorrow for a week and the power was out for extended periods while I was gone, if it mattered much that something gets power then it wouldn’t matter cause it likely would only prolong the inevitable. This was as true with the previous canister setups as well but that situation was on a much tighter clock with much more dire eventualities so it was a critical factor. Like I said…not arguing, just attacking the logic across the board in MY tank for THE unit I have because its kind of physically in the way for some future plans and if it doesn’t truly serve a critical purpose then it can go away. No, not against the grain at all...more in line with where I am at with my question. I imagine I would be able to run small air pumps for days on this UPS...so thats something of what I am on about. Do we need to do ______ and if so why?
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