Juiceman Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/man-warns-pet-owners-after-fish-tank-releases-second-deadliest-poison-hospitalizes-10/ar-AAvwv3t?li=BBnbfcL Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/man-warns-pet-owners-after-fish-tank-releases-second-deadliest-poison-hospitalizes-10/ar-AAvwv3t?li=BBnbfcL Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm just a rookie compared to that guy. I only took down me and the dog.Just a reminder, it doesn't just happen in places far away. I went to the ER myself. It was excruciating. I don't mess with palys anymore. Everyone be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemoon Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I’ve never heard of Xenia releasing palytoxin!! Ah! I wonder som times, how many things in the tanks are natural irritants that go unnoticed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 ...and they wonder why i hate palys... aside from their invasiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dogfish Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Hum xenia have diterpenes. Not sure which ones. So does coffee. Coffee diterpenes, cafestol and kahweol in particular. These molecules are composed of a diterpenic nucleus, heterocyclic furan, and a glycone chain. They are known for their anti-oxidant, anti-inflammatory, and anti-cancer properties. Being a Fox news story, has me wondering about fact checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 39 minutes ago, Dogfish said: Hum xenia have diterpenes. Not sure which ones. So does coffee. Coffee diterpenes, cafestol and kahweol in particular. These molecules are composed of a diterpenic nucleus, heterocyclic furan, and a glycone chain. They are known for their anti-oxidant, anti-inflammatory, and anti-cancer properties. Being a Fox news story, has me wondering about fact checking. msnbc linked it first yesterday, why is everything political? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 same diff (fact check line stands regardless). i think its poorly written... and more than likely it was a paly, not a xenia. i dont think ive hard of xenia doing this before? sourced from "SWNS.com", i guess foxnews was the first to parrot it. http://swnsmediagroup.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Bravo Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 16 hours ago, FarmerTy said: I'm just a rookie compared to that guy. I only took down me and the dog. Did you post about that experience? I couldn't find it if you did. I'm curious to hear what had happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dogfish Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Not political. Im just leary of any stories not backed up by real facts. Be it NBC, CBN or what ever. I would like to see the hospital report and some physical evidence of his tank livestock.I think I saw the story on slashdot last Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Did you post about that experience? I couldn't find it if you did. I'm curious to hear what had happened. Did I post about it? C'mon Scott! I post about when I go to the bathroom on here. [emoji16] http://www.austinreefclub.com/topic/36543-palytoxin-my-experience-with-it/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, FarmerTy said: I post about when I go to the bathroom on here. speaking of which, we need to have a chat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dogfish Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Ok what is in his bathroom? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 speaking of which, we need to have a chat...It wasn't me, I swear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Ok what is in his bathroom?I have an Neptune ATO to maintain perfect water levels in the commode. I even hooked up a breakout box with a switch so when I lift the toilet seat, it turns on blue LEDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Bravo Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, FarmerTy said: Did I post about it? C'mon Scott! I post about when I go to the bathroom on here. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.austinreefclub.com/topic/36543-palytoxin-my-experience-with-it/&ved=2ahUKEwi4tZTUtqbaAhUM34MKHR4xCPUQjjgwAHoECAcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw14PJJH83l-0wYi_ZCKjwvL Thanks for that. Scary stuff. Glad you made it through or I wouldn't have this cool Oregon Tort or Efflo now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Thanks for that. Scary stuff. Glad you made it through or I wouldn't have this cool Oregon Tort or Efflo now. [emoji14]In my will is to disseminate my coral collection to the members of ARC. You might have still got a piece. [emoji4]Oh wait, I shouldn't have said anything. There is going to be a price on my head now. [emoji27] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FarmerTy said: Oh wait, I shouldn't have said anything. There is going to be a price on my head now. The usual, mortimor? Edited April 6, 2018 by Isaac commas matter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timfish Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I want to start off by reiterating the importance of personal safety when dealing with our tank inhabitants. Palytoxin is a VERY STABLE toxin and is heat tolerant. NEVER HEAT UP ANY THING FROM AN AQUARIUM!!!!! When aquarists talk about "cooking" live rock they do not mean it literally! It's just jargon referring to quarantining and "cycling". Additionally be very careful when drilling or cutting corals or rock to minimize aerosolizing palytoxin. Now on to my thoughts, note the phrase "power wash" a little way into the story. No further details are given but seems like some method was used that did a decent job of creating a palytoxin laden mist. To help put some of the hype in perspective people do die from palytoxin every year but it's from eating seafood. (How often do we hear about that?) The FDA published a paper that looked at different zoas/palies and the majority didn't have much or any at all. The paper does have pictures and the palies in question had a mottled pattern consistant with the several types of "trash" pallies floating around. What I've seen in my tanks which has motivated me to avoid the "Texas Trash" and blue/green "trash" varieties is a similarity to the CDC pictures and seeing aiptaisa eating filefish avoid the "trash" types while chomping away on more colorful zoas (much to my dismay!). Additionally palytoxin is not made by pallies but by a dinoflagellate and/or bacteria and can be found pretty much anywhere. This paper looked at multiple species of corals and fish and found palytoxin levels higher in Sarcophyton (toadstool, leather), Sinularia (leather, soft) and gorgonian (GSP) species than in Palythoa species. One has to wonder why we're not seeing stories about cutting up leather corals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christyef Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I pluck out my Xenia all the time with my bare hand and give it away or give it to the sewer system. He must’ve been mistaken when he said Xenia. ??Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timfish Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Yeah, if it was Xenia I should be dead. The article mentions "power washing" the rocks so it seems reasonable to me there was other stuff on the rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dogfish Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 So here is a link to someone who knows what the issue was.https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/airborne-palytoxins.377932/page-3#post-4630698 post 41 and 43 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemoon Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 So here is a link to someone who knows what the issue was.https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/airborne-palytoxins.377932/page-3#post-4630698 post 41 and 43Thanks for the link. Julian cleared that[..thing] up real quick. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 i've had paly goo on my hands and im still alive. am i lucky or immune? not gonna push my luck. gloves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerrickH Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I made the mistake of boiling a small rock that had palys on it......lesson learned. Didnt go to ER but was **** lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Dogfish Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I had one of those cabbage leathers knocked off a ledge by an urchin in the middle of the night. The next morning grabbed it with my hand and placed it back on the ledge. It had a bunch of slime released because it was not happy being upside down. My hand tingled for 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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