victoly Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 From Jim Welsh's FB: Alk. Ca: MG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 ta daaaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gig 'em @ NDstructible Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 "More precise than manual testing methods". Yes, but more accurate????? I guess it doesn't matter, we really care about precision and stability of water quality for Alk, Ca, and Mg anyway. Neat-O! Looks pretty slick. I wonder how many times it'll need to be sent in for repair along with all the other Apex items that break every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 the kicker is the 30-day expiry of re-agents. i bet they would last longer if you made a little fridge to put this unit in the isaac pricepoint.... $350-400 for the unit. reagent 3-packs: $30. ooorrr.... $200-250 for the unit and $50-60 for reagent 3-pack. lets see how they price this out and fleece us :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Gig 'em @ NDstructible said: "More precise than manual testing methods". Yes, but more accurate????? I guess it doesn't matter, we really care about precision and stability of water quality for Alk, Ca, and Mg anyway. Neat-O! Looks pretty slick. I wonder how many times it'll need to be sent in for repair along with all the other Apex items that break every year I'm alwaayyyyys game for a good old test-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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victoly Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Isaac said: the kicker is the 30-day expiry of re-agents. i bet they would last longer if you made a little fridge to put this unit in the isaac pricepoint.... $350-400 for the unit. reagent 3-packs: $30. ooorrr.... $200-250 for the unit and $50-60 for reagent 3-pack. lets see how they price this out and fleece us The thing about reagents is that they are just chemicals. Chemicals that can be identified and sourced independently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolt Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 For those of us with a classic Apex, this device is a non-starter. I stopped by and checked it out at the Neptune booth, and they told me it requires a new Apex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gig 'em @ NDstructible Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 59 minutes ago, jolt said: For those of us with a classic Apex, this device is a non-starter. I stopped by and checked it out at the Neptune booth, and they told me it requires a new Apex. Well jeez that's pretty lame! Who knows how many years it'll be until I upgrade to a new Apex. I still use my Reef Keeper from 2008 on my QT tank! Maybe by the time I'm due for a hardware upgrade all the kinks will be worked out and the price will have come down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 That's kind of a **** move. That said, so glad I sold when I sold my last tank. Next tank will have Apex360. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolt Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Yeah, I agree. They said the processing power required made the old unit unsuitable. I felt like it was more of a ploy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 There's no way that's legit. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if you popped those things open that even *if* there was a significant computation power difference between the Apex720 and the classic, that it would in no way impact it's ability to accept trident input. It would be nice if we had a EE around here knowledgeable in the subject who could hold their feet to the fire. If anything, I would respect the honesty about planned obsolescence vs a white lie. Just say you cant continue to have evolution of features and still support an ever growing product line. anything other than what they said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 im willing to bet its just a firmware subroutine which checks your hardware revision. i bet the base unit just receives numbers when the module is complete, not a steady stream of data to compute itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 Yuuuup. Totally agree. It just recieves alk = x ca = y, mg = z twice per day. There would be no reason to offload *any* computation to the apex itself, and even if there was, the computation for something like a spectrophotometer, or additional pH probe, or stepper motors to disburse acid or whatever are minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolt Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I also got a demo of the Reef Kinetics system at the coralvue booth. I was intrigued: https://www.reefkinetics.com/ They said it talks to a web API that your neptune could connect to, but I can't remember the name of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 xml maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 the apex itself doesnt accept webapi input for "probes", only for changing the config or switch outlet status, but apex fusion does accept more stuff. The main reason i went apex, was the LOCAL control of things. I do not, and will not ever, rely on remote, cloud based, management of items. yes, even for my z-wave and stuff, i hacked my wink to use local access if required. (if the hacks hadnt been out in the wild, i would have chosen something other than wink). Imagine you invest thousands or dollars in a product which depends on a cloud solution, and the company goes bellyup... that investment is now dead. call me paranoid, but eff that action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoly Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 Agreed. Having that built in server was critical for me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolt Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Here's a video: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skot Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 is that thing ever going to get released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 is that thing ever going to get released? Pushed back 3 more months I heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolt Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 I think neptune is selling the new head unit without energy bars for $349 during April if you want to upgrade in anticipation of the trident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dshel1217 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 pretty cool I wonder if it needs RODI reservoir or a waste jug to clean the lines ect. If so I bet Apex will sell you one $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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