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I remember seeing a lagoon setup on reef central almost 10 years ago. It still fascinates me with the beauty of plants. I would have to thin out that display. Maybe eat some of those macros. Red Ogo Cheviche. Why should the fish get all the good stuff.

Patrick

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Michael, I am pumped up with this lagoon theme. It will be fun to mix and match and trade with each other. I am leaning toward a Molly Community Fish Theme for the first year or two, to allow full development of these beautiful planted theme tanks.

Patrick

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The waiting is the pits. Just about everyone that I have contacted including you, have stated that the different varities of algaes will really not become available untill the end of next month. I am trying to get the algaes established before adding the inverts and fish. I am making alittle progress. As far as fish are concerned, I am leaning towards gobies. I think their size will be approriate to the size of the tank. By the way the two rocks that you showed me out of your refugium on the back proach did you just get from Aqua Dome? In my desperation to get more algae types I was thinking about purchasing either those rocks or some like them but those sure are small pieces of marco.

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http://live-plants.com/prolifera.htm

This Calurpae is a good candidate for some contrast of color and texture. I have this now if you want some. However, I can not keep it in my display tank for the eating habits of my Drawf Angels, they devour it. I also have some feather Calurpae which, I think will look magnificiant in these lagoon tanks. Give me a couple of weeks to encourage this cultivar to be thinned out. I have both of them.

http://live-plants.c...iantfeather.htm

http://live-plants.com/Palmtree.htm

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Patrick and Michael, this is interesting. Similar to what is in my mind for my 33 but I agree with it being a bit thinner. I have a list of the macros I'm wanting to stock in my tank. I will post it here later today when I get home. Hopefully, yall can provide some input on which ones would be good and or no-go for me. :) I'm going for variety both from a diversity stand point and a color contrast standpoint. Cool pic BTW.

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I'm considering the following algae in my tank,

I've put a little bit of thought into this. I want a variety of species, colors, and shapes and I tried to pick ones that are easy to care for. (Which other folks may term as weedy/invasive/aggressive.)

  • Caulerpa Racemosa - Green, display, already on live rock, at least I'm fairly certain this is what it is. Seeing new growth in one week.
  • Sawtooth Algae - Caulerpa Serrulata - Green, display
  • Red Gracilaria - Gracilaria Tikvahiae - Red, display
  • Laurencia sp - Red, display
  • Blue Ball - Ochtodes Sp - Blue, display
  • Sea Lettuce - Ulva - Green, display (could skip this one as I already have two green algae in the display)
  • Chaeto - Refuguim

Concerns (none of which are causing me to lose any sleep):

  • As Michael mentioned, Ph swings. My refugium is small.
  • Algae going sexual - which I'm guessing frequent pruning can control.
  • Algae taking over the tank, and or shading corals - pruning again my help here, I'll have to make it a weekly/bi-weekly task and look out for new patches emerging in undesirable locations.
  • Sourcing - Seasonal shifts aside, I'm not finding blue ball for sale anywhere.

Are these species you sell, or are you pointing folks to live-plants.com? I'd prefer to give you this business if it is something you can support. biggrin.png

Grog

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Grog you might want to consider Flame Algae. I think it's hard to find but if I do I will let you know. Here is a photo. Will not attach to rock, but is suppose to be safe. Not too bad for a piece of algae.

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Grog you might want to consider Flame Algae. I think it's hard to find but if I do I will let you know. Here is a photo. Will not attach to rock, but is suppose to be safe. Not too bad for a piece of algae.

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I see people selling this as well as some really cool decorative macros on nano reef all the time. Here is a link to a thread with some pretty unique ones. He has them in and out of stock. If he doesn't have what you want available, I'm sure he can let you know when he does. Here is a link:

http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=263009

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Will not attach to rock, but is suppose to be safe. Not too bad for a piece of algae.

Just glue it down? Or free float it? Looks nice though.

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Grog, with respect to the your list of macros, I have several of them and more.

RED

http://marineplantbook.com/marinebookhalyfloridana.htm This is a cousin to Dragons Breath

http://marineplantbook.com/marinebookgrachayi.htm I also recommend this for display.

http://marineplantbook.com/marinebookgracilariatikva.htm This is food grade seaweed that I will produce.

http://marineplantbook.com/marinebookgracilariaparvis.htm Tang Heaven Red / Red Ogo

http://marineplantbook.com/marinebookbotryo.htm I have had this in the past. It is gorgeous and I will find some more to cultivate it on a steady schedule.

GREEN

http://marineplantbook.com/marinebookcupress.htm I have a start of this. It is slow growing, not for sale yet.

http://marineplantbook.com/marinebookashmeadii.htm Same as above. Not yet for sale.

http://marineplantbook.com/marinebookpaspaloides.htm Same as above. Not yet for sale.

While I am interesed in more seaweeds then I have listed, it is enough to get started with. I look forward with enthusiasm to the interest on this aspect of reefkeeping.

Patrick

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Ooh thanks. Ill read on these tonight. One more thing, not to derail this thread, I will post in the new lagoon forum if you think it is more appropriate there ...

How tolerant are these macros to trimming? Some terrestrial plants love and need it and others react negatively. Curious how macros react to trimming and pruning. (This is related to my concern of them overgrowing the tank).

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I will go out on a limb on this one. I do not think prunning macro is a problem. In the case of certain macros that fish do not eat, there is a reason for that. Either it is rigid with calcium and it is unpalpable because it contains inhibitors that are bad tasting, noxious or outright poisonous.

http://www.hawaii.ed...a_taxifolia.htm

Caulerpa Taxifolia is not cyanide. It can be grown in our refugiums. The fish will not eat it. It will not come out of the tank and eat you.

La bonne temps roulee,

Patrick

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Thanks. I wasn't looking from a toxicity perspective but more of a 'will the macro tolerate the trimming' perspective. Good to know it won't poison the tank too. Wasn't thinking of that. Roses love being cut back. Other plants in our yard, not so much.

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The waiting is the pits. Just about everyone that I have contacted including you, have stated that the different varities of algaes will really not become available untill the end of next month. I am trying to get the algaes established before adding the inverts and fish. I am making alittle progress. As far as fish are concerned, I am leaning towards gobies. I think their size will be approriate to the size of the tank. By the way the two rocks that you showed me out of your refugium on the back proach did you just get from Aqua Dome? In my desperation to get more algae types I was thinking about purchasing either those rocks or some like them but those sure are small pieces of marco.

Michael,

At your age, excersise patience.

The two rocks that I showed you were initially dense linstone in my backyard 6 months ago. I have reef rubble from every ocean in the world in both of my 75G tanks. Even without being inoculated for eons of years these dense rocks will color up fast under the correct conditions. I have more seaweed for you if you want it. With the fish that you mentioned, I see no problem adding your seaweed later. Do you think that the bacteria population is sufficiant. If so, I would add a little bioload at a time and wait. In the past with my deep sand bed methods, I would establish bacteria for two weeks then add some detrivores. I did not like higher level food chain predators until later. This includes, hermits, crabs of any sort, corals and last but not least, fish. I am not sure of this progression. At this stage, I think it depends on what the system looks like and what the owner, responsible person, of the Lagoon wants to do.

Get you some of "La bonne temps roulee"

Patrick

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Patrick, I have just ordered some marco's from a guy in Fl. I am getting the following: Red grape caulerpa (botryocladia), Red Titan (Titanophora), Dragons Breath (halymenia), Codium, Florida Gracilaria Plus a couple of extra pieces. Lagniappe as you would say. If I get it going I will share. Even if I don't I still will share.

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One problem that will have to be faced, is the ph. With so much plant material in the tank, I might have a problem with ph fluctuations . I hope that I might be able to solve that problem naturally.

I think that the pH swings are good for the critters. During lights out, pH will drop with buffering from arrogonite sediments. I will not concern myself with this, as these biotypes do this process by themselves without our intervention.

I think that certain species will become dominant over others. Left to itself this biotheme would become a

'Climax Forest'. Dominant specis or in reef termiology 'Old Tank Syndrome'. As the "keeper of the reef" we will play with this and entertain ourselves. Remember that knowledge with experience wins the game.

Have a good time doing it.

Patrick

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